Part 12 - George Groves and Warner Bros. (1964 - 71) – The parting of the ways with Jack Warner plus Bonnie and Clyde, Bullitt and Woodstock
PART 12 - GEORGE GROVES & WARNER BROS. (1964 - 71)
George labelled it a "sound effects editor's dream" and it was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Sound. There was much ingenuity involved in creating the sound fx and considerable imagination used in employing them. By the 1960s the technological advancements in production were facilitating enhancements in creativity.
George was grateful to Henry Mancini who wrote the music for The Great Race and who lobbied Jack Warner to invest in enhancements to the scoring stage mixers, so they could accommodate more inputs. Mancini was concerned that they wouldn't be able to cope with the demands of the film. This was a small first step in modernising Warners’ scoring and dubbing studios.
In August 1967 Bonnie and Clyde starring Faye Dunaway and Warren Beatty was released. George recalled how the score had been composed and recorded but then largely dispensed with, replaced instead by old bluegrass recordings by Flatt and Scruggs. This happened from time to time and not all composers and musical directors handled rejection well. One famous composer even threatened suicide after his score was unused.
Warren Beatty was producer on the show and took his responsibilities very seriously, sitting in on most of the dubbing sessions. Some directors and producers would want to involve themselves in the dubbing, others such as Alfred Hitchcock never did. They simply trusted George with his forty years of experience and his skilled editors to deliver the goods. George recalled Beatty as being "very fussy" about many of the sound edits. He was particularly insistent that the gunshots and sound of old vehicles be authentic.

George Groves and Jack Warner pictured in the 1960s – George thought of Warner more like a father than a boss

George Groves and Jack Warner pictured in the 1960s
Jack Warner's swansong as producer was Camelot, the story of the marriage of King Arthur to Guinevere, starring Richard Harris and Vanessa Redgrave. Based on the 1960 Broadway musical, it was hoped it would emulate the heights of My Fair Lady, but George felt it wasn't quite in the same league.
It was, however, nominated for an Oscar for Best Sound and won an Academy Award for Best Music-Scoring. The main problem as far as George Groves was concerned was director Josh Logan's decision to use "extremely loud" playbacks in Vanessa Redgrave's musical numbers.
The lack of isolation of her recordings led to the actress having to "loop" or re-record her vocals. "This was a very unusual procedure", said George. Looping (a.k.a. ADR) is standard practice these days. The hostility of some actors and directors to the process, which George often experienced, has been overcome by a demand for the highest quality digital sound. But the looping procedure was developed to post-record lines of dialogue, not lines in a song. Redgrave had to sing the song line by line in the looping room to the original orchestrations, lip-syncing to her filmed performances.
George was highly impressed with Alfred Newman's scoring of the picture. "He was so wonderful and did a beautiful job". Although, Jack Warner and Josh Logan made him re-write the main title theme as they both considered it to be "depressing", although George thought it "gorgeous".
Peter Yates' Bullitt of 1968 is renowned for its car chases in San Francisco with Steve McQueen driving a Ford Mustang at high speed. Few appreciate, however, that the impact of the sequence was enhanced by attention to detail with realistic sound. In order to generate sound fx for dubbing in the picture, George arranged for the car to be driven by a stunt driver on a local track.
The recordings were played back to McQueen in the dubbing room. He was quite a speed buff himself and enjoyed driving fast cars but was quite unimpressed with what he heard on the tapes. He said to George: "That's not me driving, that's not my style", explaining that he had his own rhythm of shifting gears and accelerating. Plus he felt the recordings failed to fully convey the sensation of speed. Steve McQueen then said: "Set up a date, get the car and I'll drive."

Speed buff Steve McQueen in his Ford Mustang during the celebrated car chase sequence in Bullitt

Steve McQueen in his Mustang during the Bullitt car chase sequence

Directors Sidney Lumet (The Sea Gull), Sam Peckinpah (The Wild Bunch) and Michael Wadleigh (Woodstock)

Film directors Sidney Lumet, Sam Peckinpah and Michael Wadleigh
This happened with The Sea Gull, a film adaptation of Anton Chekhov's play, which was shot, edited and dubbed in Sweden in 1968 using local crews. However, producer / director Sidney Lumet was quite dissatisfied with the finished soundtrack to his film. So with a pressing deadline, he took it to Burbank for George and his team to re-dub. He was so pleased with the results that he took out a 'thank you' advert in Variety and the Hollywood Reporter:
Peckinpah had made it clear that he didn't like Jerry Fielding's score and in the dubbing sessions insisted, against all advice, that the music levels be constant without natural highs or lows. "All the vigour and life", as George put it, was subsequently lost. It was usual practice to preview a newly completed film at a local theatre prior to its official premiere. So The Wild Bunch was shown at one in Fresno and was not well received. The day after the screening George had a drink with Peckinpah to discuss the problems with the film:
In June 1969 Warner Bros. / Seven Arts merged with Kinney National who were originally a cleaning and parking operation. As well as making their own pictures, the company became increasingly involved in acquiring and distributing completed films. This happened with Billy Jack and George's sound department played no part in its making. However substantial work would sometimes have to be done to make an acquired picture fit for purpose and Woodstock was a prime example.
The rights to the film record of the 1969 music festival were bought by Warner / Kinney for just $400,000. It was shot on 16mm by director Michael Wadleigh with the sound recorded as 8-track magnetic. After the film had been converted to 35mm, it was edited in New York with creative use made of multiple screen images. The dubbing was, however, scheduled to take place in Burbank but the young Woodstock crew were mainly record company people with no experience of the film industry.
George had arranged for the Woodstock crew to test out a reel of dubbed film at the theatre used by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. However theatre manager Sam Brown shut down the projector and chased them out of the building, frightened that their high level playback would damage his speakers!
Groves even arranged for a sound technician to be sent to the main theatres that had pre-booked Woodstock to check that their speaker systems were properly balanced and to ensure that their surround speakers were good enough quality.
As a result of George's work on Bonnie and Clyde, he became a good friend of the film's producer and star, Warren Beatty. This friendship paid dividends for Beatty in persuading George to resolve sound problems with his 1971 western McCabe & Mrs Miller. The film had been shot with a local crew in Canada and it was also dubbed there. George commented that it was "in trouble...[with] extremely bad sound". Intelligibility was poor and when it was previewed, audiences "could not make head or tail" as to what it was about. So considerable sound looping had to be performed to bring the film up to scratch:

George Groves pictured with Peter Sellers apparently at a party - the date and occasion are not known

George Groves pictured with Peter Sellers apparently at a party

George labelled it a "sound effects editor's dream" and it was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Sound.
There was much ingenuity involved in creating the sound fx and considerable imagination used in employing them.
By the 1960s the technological advancements in production were facilitating enhancements in creativity.

George Groves pictured in the early ‘60s
Mancini was concerned that they wouldn't be able to cope with the demands of the film. This was a small first step in modernising Warners’ scoring and dubbing studios.
In August 1967 Bonnie and Clyde starring Faye Dunaway and Warren Beatty was released.

This happened from time to time and not all composers and musical directors handled rejection well. One famous composer even threatened suicide after his score was unused.
Warren Beatty was producer on the show and took his responsibilities very seriously, sitting in on most of the dubbing sessions.
Some directors and producers would want to involve themselves in the dubbing, others such as Alfred Hitchcock never did.
They simply trusted George with his forty years of experience and his skilled editors to deliver the goods.
George recalled Beatty as being "very fussy" about many of the sound edits.
He was particularly insistent that the gunshots and sound of old vehicles be authentic.

George worked for Jack Warner for 42 years
Warner had spent little time in the sound department but he had always supported George, especially when Groves had to deal with difficult directors and picture editors who had challenged his authority:
Just one line in his latest film had to be re-recorded but George was unaware that he was in dispute with Warners. He was contracted to them but was off-salary and not being paid in between pictures.
This was a bone of contention for Flynn as George recalled:
He was good to his word and immediately cancelled his writ.
Jack Warner's swansong as producer was Camelot, the story of the marriage of King Arthur to Guinevere, starring Richard Harris and Vanessa Redgrave.

It was, however, nominated for an Oscar for Best Sound and won an Academy Award for Best Music-Scoring.
The main problem as far as George Groves was concerned was director Josh Logan's decision to use "extremely loud" playbacks in Vanessa Redgrave's musical numbers.
The lack of isolation of her recordings led to the actress having to "loop" or re-record her vocals. "This was a very unusual procedure", said George.
Looping (a.k.a. ADR) is standard practice these days. The hostility of some actors and directors to the process has been overcome by a demand for the highest quality digital sound.
But the looping procedure was developed to post-record lines of dialogue, not lines in a song.
Redgrave had to sing the song line by line in the looping room to the original orchestrations, lip-syncing to her filmed performances.
George was highly impressed with Alfred Newman's scoring of the picture. "He was so wonderful and did a beautiful job".
Although Jack Warner and Josh Logan made him re-write the main title theme as they both considered it to be "depressing", although George thought it "gorgeous".

Few appreciate, however, that the impact of the sequence was enhanced by attention to detail with realistic sound.
In order to generate sound fx for dubbing in the picture, George arranged for the car to be driven by a stunt driver on a local track.
The recordings were played back to McQueen in the dubbing room. He was quite a speed buff himself and enjoyed driving fast cars but was quite unimpressed with what he heard on the tapes.
He said to George: "That's not me driving, that's not my style", explaining that he had his own rhythm of shifting gears and accelerating.
Plus he felt the recordings failed to fully convey the sensation of speed. Steve McQueen then said: "Set up a date, get the car and I'll drive."

Steve McQueen in his Mustang in Bullitt
In January 2020 the Ford Mustang used in the film was sold at auction for over $3½m.
During the 1960s directors and producers exercised their autonomy to choose their own crews - their "pet boys" as George put it – as opposed to Warners / Seven Arts approved technicians.
This often created problems which the sound department would end up having to fix.
This happened with The Sea Gull, a film adaptation of Anton Chekhov's play, which was shot, edited and dubbed in Sweden in 1968 using local crews.

Producer / director Sidney Lumet
So with a pressing deadline, he took it to Burbank for George and his team to re-dub.
He was so pleased with the results that he took out a 'thank you' advert in Variety and the Hollywood Reporter:

Wild Bunch Director Sam Peckinpah
Although he considered him to be a "very brilliant" director, he said that his "ego and objectionable language and attitude most of the time were pretty hard to put up with."
Peckinpah had made it clear that he didn't like Jerry Fielding's score and in the dubbing sessions insisted, against all advice, that the music levels be constant without natural highs or lows.
"All the vigour and life", as George put it, was subsequently lost.
It was usual practice to preview a newly completed film at a local theatre prior to its official premiere.
So The Wild Bunch was shown at one in Fresno and was not well received.
The day after the screening George had a drink with Peckinpah to discuss the problems with the film:
In June 1969 Warner Bros. / Seven Arts merged with Kinney National who were originally a cleaning and parking operation.
As well as making their own pictures, the company became increasingly involved in acquiring and distributing completed films.
This happened with Billy Jack and George's sound department played no part in its making.
However substantial work would sometimes have to be done to make an acquired picture fit for purpose and Woodstock was a prime example.
The rights to the film record of the 1969 music festival were bought by Warner / Kinney for just $400,000.

Woodstock director Michael Wadleigh
After the film had been converted to 35mm, it was edited in New York with creative use made of multiple screen images.
The dubbing was, however, scheduled to take place in Burbank but the young Woodstock crew were mainly record company people with no experience of the film industry.
"We were absolutely inundated with film", said George and with theatres booked all over the country, they worked long hours, 7 days a week, to meet the deadline.
George suggested that the fourth track of surround sound be used to increase audience participation in theatres.
So it included the many PA announcements made at the event, leading to some theatre audiences joining in and stamping their feet.
They wanted the film to replicate as far as possible the actual event and this included a higher level of theatrical playback than normal.
So George Groves wrote to theatre services organisations and projectionists with instructions as to the fader settings that should be used.

However theatre manager Sam Brown shut down the projector and chased them out of the building, frightened that their high level playback would damage his speakers!
Groves even arranged for a sound technician to be sent to the main theatres that had pre-booked Woodstock.
This was to check that their speaker systems were properly balanced and to ensure that their surround speakers were good enough quality.
George described his experience of Woodstock as "quite an event"!
As a result of George's work on Bonnie and Clyde, he became a good friend of the film's producer and star, Warren Beatty.
This friendship paid dividends for Beatty in persuading George to resolve sound problems with his 1971 western McCabe & Mrs Miller.
The film had been shot with a local crew in Canada and it was also dubbed there. George commented that it was "in trouble...[with] extremely bad sound".
Intelligibility was poor and when it was previewed, audiences "could not make head or tail" as to what it was about.
So considerable sound looping had to be performed to bring the film up to scratch:
"Sound looping" – ADR as it is now known – was so called because each line of dialogue that needed to be replaced was originally on a continuous loop of film.
The actor repeated the line until s/he could no longer hear their original version in their headphones.
That meant the new recording would be completely in sync with the picture.
By the time of McCabe & Mrs Miller the technology had improved and an automated system had been developed and looped strips of film were no longer in use.

George Groves with Peter Sellers
Even Frank Sinatra had shown interest in investing. Finally he received the word that the new owners were giving the green light to his improvement plans.
It was to be George's swan song at Warners and the new facility would be named after him.