Part 3 - The Herbert Mundin / Groves Family Connection
PART 3 - THE HERBERT MUNDIN / GROVES FAMILY CONNECTION

Herbert Mundin in the film Lord Jeff and his birthplace 206 Windleshaw Road in St Helens

Herbert Mundin and his birthplace 206 Windleshaw Road, St Helens
The connection between the families was Jane Groves, who was the widow of Thomas Groves. He was George's great-uncle who originally owned the Duke Street barber's and who died in bizarre circumstances in November 1895. (See George in St Helens Part 2.) Shortly after Thomas’s death, his widow Jane and ten-year-old daughter Clara returned to Sutton in St Helens where Jane had been brought up, although her place of birth was Holywell in Flintshire. She then moved to 44 Mill Street, only a few hundred yards away from the Duke Street barber's shop, and on September 18th 1897 at the age of 36 became William Mundin's fourth wife.
50-year-old William was a somewhat nomadic Primitive Methodist home missionary, who had also been a farm labourer, and was a great advocate of the temperance movement. In the 1891 census he is listed as living at Runcorn near Widnes with third wife Mary. Upon her death on September 27th 1895 at the age of 30, he moved to St Helens and lived with Jane and Clara at 206 Windleshaw Road in Dentons Green.

A picture postcard of Windleshaw Road in St Helens taken around 1910 – Herbert Mundin was born at no. 206

A picture postcard of Windleshaw Road in St Helens around 1910
Indeed in the 1901 census they are listed as living in St. Albans in Hertfordshire, although erroneously identified within online census data as bearing the surname Mundie. The census enumerator’s handwriting left a lot to be desired and two-year-old Herbert Thomas Mundin is identified as Herlar T. Mundie. (Great-nephew Derek Mundin was responsible for the detective work in uncovering this). The census data does reveal that the family lived at St Helens Villa, Paxton Road in St. Albans. William and Jane, apparently, named their house after the town where they first met and where their son was born.

Left: Herbert served in the Royal Navy during the 1st World War; Right: Pictured as a young man

Herbert in the Royal Navy and pictured as a young man
Herbert attended the prestigious St. Albans Grammar School where Stephen Hawking and Sir Tim Rice would study some years later. He served in WW1 as a wireless operator on minesweepers and during the 1920s performed on the stage in Britain at the London Palladium, Alhambra and the Coliseum.
Herbert first travelled to America on December 18th 1923 for a series of theatrical engagements in New York, just 17 days after George Groves sailed from Liverpool to the 'Big Apple'. However, Herbert was by then based in London and so sailed from Southampton on the SS Aquitania. In the ship’s passenger manifest Herbert describes himself as 5’7” tall with a fair complexion, brown hair, blue eyes and bearing a scar over his left eye.


Herbert Mundin as Herbert Henry Rawlins in Tarzan Escapes which was made in 1936 and starring Johnny Weissmuller

Herbert Mundin as Herbert Henry Rawlins in Tarzan Escapes in 1936
Herbert's first Hollywood film of note was Chandu the Magician, based on a popular radio show and which was released in September 1932. Béla Lugosi starred as Roxor, a maniac intent on world domination and who kidnaps a scientist who is working on a deadly death ray capable of destroying a whole city.

Herbert Mundin with Una O'Connor in Cavalcade as Alfred and Ellen Bridges

Herbert Mundin & Una O'Connor in Cavalcade released in 1933
Herbert was a character actor, known as the "scene stealer", as he would often take the limelight away from the film's more illustrious acting talent. These stars included Clark Gable, Lucille Ball, Johnny Weissmuller, Basil Rathbone, Lionel Barrymore, Shirley Temple, Bela Lugosi and Spencer Tracy. He often added a comedic touch to films and is said to have specialised in older roles through his bulbous nose and short, penguin-like frame! Sadly his short but prolific career was tragically cut short on a California highway in 1939 at the age of just 40.
Herbert's father William returned to the north-west of England just before his death on the 10th April 1924 at the age of 77. He lived at 66 Fitzherbert Street in Warrington and is buried in St Helens Cemetery with his third wife Mary. The St Albans branch of the Church of England Temperance Society placed a stone at the foot of William's grave to record their "grateful memory of 31 years devoted work".

Two photographs of the Mundin family grave within St Helens Cemetery (section 6, grave number 544)

Mundin family grave in St Helens Cemetery (section 6, no. 544)

William Mundin pictured in 1921 - a former court missionary, he was the first probation officer in Hertfordshire

William Mundin in 1921 - he was Hertfordshire's first probation officer

Herbert Mundin in the film Lord Jeff
These included Mutiny on The Bounty in 1935 with Charles Laughton and The Adventures of Robin Hood in 1938 with Errol Flynn.
Tragically Herbert’s Hollywood career was cut short in 1939 by his death in a California car crash.
The connection between the families was Jane Groves, who was the widow of Thomas Groves.
He was George's great-uncle who originally owned the Duke Street barber's and who died in bizarre circumstances in November 1895. (See George in St Helens Part 2.)
Shortly after Thomas’s death, his widow Jane and ten-year-old daughter Clara returned to Sutton in St Helens where Jane had been brought up, although her place of birth was Holywell in Flintshire.
She then moved to 44 Mill Street, only a few hundred yards away from the Duke Street barber's shop, and on September 18th 1897 at the age of 36 became William Mundin's fourth wife.
50-year-old William was a somewhat nomadic Primitive Methodist home missionary, who had also been a farm labourer, and was a great advocate of the temperance movement.
In the 1891 census he is listed as living at Runcorn near Widnes with third wife Mary.

Herbert Mundin's birthplace in St Helens
On 21st August 1898 Jane gave birth to a son they named Herbert Thomas.
William Mundin is believed to have had as many as 19 children with his four wives – many of them dying at birth or in infancy – but Herbert was the only child he had with Jane.

Windleshaw Road, St Helens around 1910
He also seemingly owned or resided at properties in College Street, North Road, Oxford Street and Hardshaw Street but is not listed at any of these addresses in successive registers.
The family almost certainly left St Helens within months of Herbert's birth. Indeed in the 1901 census they are listed as living in St. Albans in Hertfordshire, although erroneously identified within online census data as bearing the surname Mundie.
The census enumerator’s handwriting left a lot to be desired and two-year-old Herbert Thomas Mundin is identified as Herlar T. Mundie. (Great-nephew Derek Mundin was responsible for the detective work in uncovering this).
The census data does reveal that the family lived at St Helens Villa, Paxton Road in St. Albans. William and Jane, apparently, named their house after the town where they first met and where their son was born.
Herbert attended the prestigious St. Albans Grammar School where Stephen Hawking and Sir Tim Rice would study some years later.

Herbert in the Royal Navy during WW1
Herbert first travelled to America on December 18th 1923 for a series of theatrical engagements in New York, just 17 days after George Groves sailed from Liverpool to the 'Big Apple'.
However Herbert was by then based in London and so sailed from Southampton on the SS Aquitania.
In the ship’s passenger manifest Herbert describes himself as 5’7” tall with a fair complexion, brown hair, blue eyes and bearing a scar over his left eye.

One of Herbert’s roles in the production was as a barber. Perhaps his mother was able to give him some pointers!
During the late 1920s Herbert developed a reputation as a top British music-hall comedian and actor and was often top of the bill.

Herbert Mundin in Tarzan Escapes
The stage comic adapted to film so well that he transferred to the Fox Studios in Hollywood and made fifty-six pictures in total in just nine years.
Herbert's first Hollywood film of note was Chandu the Magician, based on a popular radio show and which was released in September 1932.
Béla Lugosi starred as Roxor, a maniac intent on world domination and who kidnaps a scientist who is working on a deadly death ray capable of destroying a whole city.

Herbert Mundin & Una O'Connor in Cavalcade
The film dramatised English life from New Year's Eve 1899 until 1933 and won three Oscars for Best Director, Picture and Art Direction and did much for Mundin's reputation.
Herbert put in a straight performance of a butler who became a pub landlord and drank away the profits.

Herbert Mundin in Call it Luck
Herbert was a character actor, known as the "scene stealer", as he would often take the limelight away from the film's more illustrious acting talent.
These stars included Clark Gable, Lucille Ball, Johnny Weissmuller, Basil Rathbone, Lionel Barrymore, Shirley Temple, Bela Lugosi and Spencer Tracy.

Herbert in Charlie Chan's Secret
Sadly his short but prolific career was tragically cut short on a California highway in 1939 at the age of just 40.

Herbert Mundin in David Copperfield
He lived at 66 Fitzherbert Street in Warrington and is buried in St Helens Cemetery with his third wife Mary.
The St. Albans branch of the Church of England Temperance Society placed a stone at the foot of William's grave to record their "grateful memory of 31 years devoted work".

Mundin grave in St Helens Cemetery
Jane is buried in a separate grave in St Helens Cemetery (section 3, grave number 357) along with Thomas Groves, Clara Smith and Patricia Elizabeth Smith.

William Mundin pictured in 1921
Other research sources include St Helens Local History & Archives Library, St Helens Cemetery Office, Statue of Liberty - Ellis Island Foundation and Hertfordshire Countryside magazine.